专访腾讯云区块链邵兵：云是区块链的加分项
两年多前，区块链领域是属于草根创业者的天下，如今BAT这样的互联网巨头悉数入场。
More than two years ago, the area of block chains was under the umbrella of grass-roots entrepreneurs, and now Internet giants such as BAT are on the ground.
但是对于区块链世界的原住民来说，他们似乎并不看好，甚至直言不讳：BAT做不了区块链。
But for the indigenous peoples of the block chain world, they do not seem to look well, or even speak out: BAT cannot do block chains.
然而，2018年以来我们看到：腾讯的区块链电子发票频频刷爆朋友圈，蚂蚁金服的区块链跨境汇款实现3秒到账，百度更是将每一条百度百科的编辑信息记录到区块链上。
Since 2018, however, we have seen: the tether's block chain of electronic invoices are frequently brushed up in the circle of friends, three seconds of cross-border transfers of the ants' gold garments are made, and 100 degrees record every encyclopedia of editorial information on the block chain.
很明显，巨头们用行动回击了这些唱衰派，他们真的是在做事儿。
It's clear that the giants responded with action against the singers, and they're really doing something.
然而，我们依然还有诸多问题待解：比如，区块链在巨头们的内部是处于怎样的地位，人员配置情况？比如：BaaS平台成为BAT纷纷竞逐的战场，市场上是否能容得下？到底产品卖得怎么样？再比如：不管是腾讯还是阿里在提区块链时，为什么都不可避免的要提到自己家的云？还有：腾讯系有微众银行，阿里系有蚂蚁金服，而且都在做区块链，每个系内部是否会存在利益冲突等等。
However, there are still many questions to be asked: for example, what is the position of the block chain within the giants, the staffing situation?
近日，巴比特采访了腾讯云区块链负责人邵兵，为我们揭开BAT中的“T”布局区块链的面纱。
In recent days, Babbitt interviewed the thugs who were in charge of the tungsten cloud block chain to unmask the “T” block chain in the ATT.
巴比特：我们外部人都在谈腾讯区块链，但是据了解，腾讯有TrustSQL（腾讯区块链）和TBaaS（腾讯云区块链），二者定位有什么不同？
Babbitt: We're all talking about the tether block chain, but what difference does it make when it's known that there are TrustSQL and TBaaS?
邵兵：
腾讯对区块链技术比较重视，很早就在多个层面进行布局。腾讯云区块链定位为技术能力的对外服务与输出。巴比特：腾讯云区块链属于哪个部门？围绕这一定位，腾讯云区块链的布局主要体现在三个方面。
soldiers :
tethers attach greater importance to block chain technology and have been configured at many levels at an early stage. >Pp sets up the tether block chain as an external service and output of technical capabilities.
around this position, the layout of the tether block chain is three-fold.
第一，区块链服务平台， Tencent Blockchain as a Service，我们简称为TBaaS，围绕多种区块链底层平台对外提供一站式区块链服务；
First, the Block Chain Service Platform, Tencent BlockShain as a Service, our short name is TBaas, which provides an external one-stop block chain service around multiple block chain bottom platforms;
第二，围绕区块链技术，我们和客户、合作伙伴一起在做一些解决方案和标杆应用，推动区块链技术的落地与商用。
Secondly, around block chain technology, we are working with our clients and partners on solutions and pole applications to promote the location and commercialization of block chain technology.
第三，我们在积极参与和推进区块链社区、区块链生态的建设，同Hyperledger社区、金链盟、信通院等都有非常紧密的合作。
Thirdly, we are actively involved in and contributing to the construction of block-chain communities, block-chain ecology, working very closely with the Hyperledger community, the Golden Chain Alliance, the Information and Communications Institute, etc. : What sector is the tether-column chain?
邵兵：
从大的层级分，我们属于CSIG云与智慧产业事业群。从小的方面来讲，我们属于智慧行业产品部门下的金融业务中心。巴比特：腾讯云区块链TBaaS平台从2017年11月正式发布至今，已经1年多了，产品现在卖得怎么样？
邵兵：
总体势头非常好。TBaaS产品层面，我们已经迭代了几个大的版本，功能在不断完善。底层平台也从最初支持Hyperledger Fabric到现在支持多个平台，包括腾讯TrustSQL、FISCO BCOS。同时，TBaaS平台还推出很多其他重要的特性，包括金融级安全、国密算法、互联互通以及和权威CA的集成等。巴比特：刚才你说腾讯云区块链在很多领域落地了，比如医疗、金融等。落地的话，它更体现的是区块链哪些技术特性？因为现在区块链落地的话，其实很多都是一些存证的功能，智能合约、零知识证明这些技术似乎并没有用到。在落地方面，我们在不断拓展区块链适用的业务领域，目前在很多场景都有成功的落地案例，包括银行、保险、证券、互金、政务、医疗等领域。比如在医疗领域，腾讯云与东华医为合作发布了“一链三云”战略和六大联合解决方案，其中的“健康链”就是基于腾讯云区块链来进行构建的。
The bottom platform has also been supporting platforms from the beginning to now, including TrustSQL, FISCO BCOS. At the same time, the TBAAS platform has introduced a number of other important features, including financial-level security, state-class algorithms, connectivity, and the integration of authoritative CAs. In the field of landing, we are building on the business areas where the chain is applied, with successful landings in many contexts, including banking, insurance, securities, mutual gold, governance, and medical care. In the medical field, for example, the TBAA platform has been working with East Chinese doctors to issue the “one cloud three” strategy and six joint solutions, of which the “health chain” is based on the development of the grids.
此外，我们也和很多其他的企业、机构有比较深入的合作，目前还在进行中。
In addition, we have more intensive cooperation with many other enterprises and institutions that are still in progress. : You said earlier that the tether grids had fallen in many fields, such as medical care, finance, etc.
邵兵：
我觉得这是个好问题，也是一个大问题，我分开来回答。巴比特：现在BaaS平台很多，你们大厂都有了，你觉得市场容得下这么多BaaS平台吗？在我们落地的区块链项目中，主要用到下面几个技术特性。
I think it's a good question and a big one, and I'll answer it separately. >
is used mainly in the following technical features of our block chain project.
第一点，智能合约，这是业务逻辑落地的载体。
Number one, smart contracts, is the vehicle where business logic falls down.
第二点，共识机制，这是分布式商业中达成业务共识和数据共识的关键，需要进行针对性的设计。
Second, the consensus mechanism, which is the key to operational and data consensus in distributed commerce, requires targeted design.
第三点，可信身份，通过密钥技术、权威CA识别用户身份，之后才有可能在区块链上签署具有司法效力的多方协议与电子合同。密码学技术、多链与分链技术等也是用到比较多的特性，这些特性可以有效的保护商业隐私，控制数据的可见性。
Third, credible identities, identifying users through key technology and authoritative CAs, make it possible to sign multi-party agreements and electronic contracts with judicial effect on the block chain. cryptography, multi-chain, and segmentation technologies are also used for a variety of features that effectively protect business privacy and control the visibility of data.
存证确实是目前区块链最大的应用领域，网信办公布的第一批区块链信息服务备案清单里面，大概有20%是和存证相关。我们腾讯云也提供了一套完整的可信存证能力，帮助我们的企业客户更好的搭建他们自己的存证平台。除此之外，我们在供应链金融、数据交换与共享等方面也有自己的解决方案。
Recording is indeed the largest application of the current block chain, and about 20% of the first block chain information service lists published by the Internet Information Office are relevant to the record. We also provide a complete and credible record-keeping capability to help our business clients better build their own record-keeping platforms.
你提到的零知识证明、同态加密这些技术都是比较复杂的密码学技术，能够很好的去保护数据隐私，但也有一定的实施门槛。如果要设计一个非常好的、满足业务需求，尤其是一个复杂业务场景的算法，其实还是存在很多挑战的。我们有一个技术工程团队专门在研究区块链的这些底层技术，包括同态加密、零知识证明等，在理论层面和应用层面上都已经有了一些积累。
There are many challenges to designing a very good business plan, especially a complex business scenario algorithm. We have a technical engineering team that specializes in these bottom technologies of block chains, including homogenous encryption, proof of zero knowledge, etc., that have accumulated at both the theoretical and application levels.
邵兵：
单就国内市场而言，BaaS平台现在大概有20家左右。不只是BaaS，区块链各个领域都有很多玩家。这说明区块链作为一个新生技术，确实吸引了大家的热情。巴比特：不管是你们还是阿里提区块链，都不可避免的要说自己的云，所以我可不可以理解为你们做区块链，其实是给自己的云服务做一些加分项，获得更好的议价能力？区块链市场整体还处在一个起步的阶段，未来肯定要有一个洗牌的过程。经过竞争之后，市场上存在的厂商肯定要远远少于现在的这样一个数量。对于现在的厂商来说，当务之急还是要打磨完善产品，拓展服务能力，做好应对竞争的准备。
The chain of blocks, as a new technology, does attract enthusiasm. The whole market of the block chain of
is still at an initial stage, and there must be a shuffling process in the future. After a competition, the market must have a much smaller number of firms than it is now. For now, it is imperative to sharpen products, expand service capabilities, and prepare for competition. Babbit: Whether you or Aritti's chain, it is inevitable to say your own cloud, so I can't understand making a chain for you.
邵兵：
云是基础设施，是区块链的加分项。巴比特：腾讯系的微众银行在区块链方面发力还是挺大的。腾讯云这边做区块链跟微众银行相比的话，会有哪些不一样的特色或者特殊的使命？区块链是一种集成技术，除了用到服务器、网络、容器、接口、安全等传统IT技术，还在不断的扩大它的技术边界，比如和应用系统、权威CA、甚至物联网、大数据等技术进行集成，以期满足业务需求。将区块链部署在云端，可以获得灵活的基础架构，减少集成、部署和运维的成本。
The
cloud is an infrastructure and is an addition to the block chain. The block chain is an integrated technology that, in addition to using traditional IT technologies such as servers, networks, containers, interfaces, security, etc., is continuously expanding its technological boundaries, such as the application of systems, authoritative CAs, even object networking, big data, etc., in order to meet operational needs.
有些机构考虑到数据风险或者是监管要求，希望在企业内部运行区块链系统，腾讯云区块链产品也提供私有化的部署方式，满足这些机构的需要。
Some institutions, taking into account data risks or regulatory requirements, wish to operate block chain systems within an enterprise, and tweak block chain products also provide for the use of privatization to meet their needs. Babbit: Microbanks in the tether system are still very active in block chains. What are the different features or special missions of tweaking the chain as compared to microbanks? /strong
邵兵：
其实我们跟微众银行一直是紧密合作的关系。腾讯云TBaaS平台的底层平台之一，FISCO BCOS，背后最大的推动方就是微众银行。BCOS能够成功的集成到TBaaS平台，正是得益于我们跟微众银行团队的紧密合作，这种合作我们也会持续下去。银行一直以来都是区块链+金融方面最积极的探索者和实践者，利用区块链技术也推出了各种应用。腾讯云始终在运用各种领先技术，包括区块链在内，为金融客户量身定制各类合规安全、高性能、高可用的云服务，助力客户科技升级。反过来，我们也希望通过和银行的合作，加深我们对行业的理解，持续改进我们腾讯云的区块链技术和产品。
BCOS has been successfully integrated into the TBAAS platform, thanks to our close cooperation with the microbank team, which we will continue. Bank
has been one of the most active explorers and experientials in the financial sector, with applications using block chain technology.
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